tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35889031.post8644452310279322434..comments2023-11-05T00:58:55.352-07:00Comments on A Peculiar Prophet: It's Easier To Take Out Than To Put InWilliam H. Willimonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00002821401928222858noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35889031.post-79788993679554107362007-06-30T11:02:00.000-07:002007-06-30T11:02:00.000-07:00I agree that matching someones talents to a partic...I agree that matching someones talents to a particular job within the church is a good idea. But doesn't the word of God enable us to do things we have no talent for? My pastor may have no talent but if he is faithful in his office then he has done his job. I don't want a Star pastor.<BR/>I hope my pastor is under-performing in all things except delivering Law and Gospel, Word and SacramentPaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12390750051124582190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35889031.post-9980894374219265462007-06-27T19:50:00.000-07:002007-06-27T19:50:00.000-07:00I used to be on staff at Lovers Lane Church in Dal...I used to be on staff at Lovers Lane Church in Dallas where Stan Copeland is the Sr. Pastor. He always said his talent was the ability to recognize talent. "I look for the stars" he would say, "then find a place for them in the church". I will always remember that!<BR/><BR/>You said these management thoughts have implications for those who are called to management and the ministry of administration in the church. And that you and the cabinet have found these concepts challenging. <BR/><BR/>Picking up on Andrew's comments about the appointment system, these are the implications I see:<BR/><BR/>While I know the appointment system has some good qualities (it is good for minorities, good for women), I think of it in light of your post and just get frustrated because of all the talentless, unproductive, under-performing pastors we have out there who we are stuck with because of the appointment system. There is very little accountibility appealing to quality control because our pastors know they will always have job security. <BR/><BR/>Yes, this is most challenging....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17859209493621674328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35889031.post-64468041744457471252007-06-27T17:46:00.000-07:002007-06-27T17:46:00.000-07:00Bishop Willimon - Thanks for the excellent post. I...Bishop Willimon - Thanks for the excellent post. I think that you are right on for bringing forward this consideration of talents and relating it to the UMC.<BR/><BR/>It does seem at times as if the appointment system is based on "moving up" from appointment to appointment. I recognize that this is a perception that is closely linked to what makes a "good appointment."<BR/><BR/>I believe that good appointments are ones in which the gifts and graces of the pastor are matched to the needs of the particular congregation. I do not believe that the goodness of an appointment is in any way related to the size of the congregation or the compensation package for the pastor.Andrew Conardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13028651889762656703noreply@blogger.com